Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karen Wolstenholme

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The result was delete‎. Significant coverage has not been demonstrated. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 08:42, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Karen Wolstenholme

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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. 2 of the 3 sources are primary. Fails WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 05:53, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Bilateral relations, Korea, and United Kingdom. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 07:13, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep: appears to have received specific media coverage from both foreignpolicy.com, as well as an telegraph.co.uk article regarding her having been identified as personally riding a rollercoaster alongside the DPRK's Supreme Leader. The status of her diplomatic posting and this reporting of what occurred during per posting; reported on by independent and reliable sources lead me to tend toward keep over delete. Jack4576 (talk) 08:58, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:BASIC. Diplomats are not inherently notable but there are multiple in-depth, and independent sources on this diplomat.--User:Namiba 18:44, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:10, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete BLP, fails GNG and BIO. Source eval:

Comments	Source
Who's Who	1. "Wolstenholme, Karen Suzanne, (born 16 Oct. 1962), HM Diplomatic Service, retired; Ambassador to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, 2011–12; FCO Services, 2013–16". Who's Who. 2011. doi:10.1093/ww/9780199540884.013.253944.
Article is about "Barnaby Jones works as a junior diplomat at the British Embassy". Only content about subject is, "The British Ambassador to North Korea is Karen Wolstenholme."	2. ^ "British diplomat takes roller coaster ride with North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un". www.telegraph.co.uk. Retrieved 9 May 2023.
Primary source - Foreign & Commonwealth Office	3. ^ Jump up to:a b "Change of Her Majesty's Ambassador to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea". Foreign & Commonwealth Office. 27 September 2010. Archived from the original on 8 March 2011.
Government annoucement about appointment, info is from government, not IS	4. ^ "Appointments: Ambassador to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea". The Times. ISSN 0140-0460. Retrieved 9 May 2023.
Two sentences about a government annoucement regarding an appointment	5. ^ "Woman tapped as next British ambassador to N. Korea". The Korea Times. 29 September 2010. Retrieved 9 May 2023.
Government report about a government employee, not IS	6. ^ House of Lords (2012). The Parliamentary Debates (Hansard).: House of Lords official report. H.M. Stationery Office.
Government report about a government employee, not IS	7. ^ Parliamentary Debates (Hansard).: House of Commons official report. H.M. Stationery Office. 2010.
One of several individuals interviewed about life in North Korea; interview, not IS; brief, not SIGCOV.	8. ^ Lynch, Colum (22 November 2021). "The Life of Diplomats in North Korea". Foreign Policy. Retrieved 9 May 2023.
Primary source - Foreign & Commonwealth Office	9. ^ "Change of Her Majesty's Ambassador to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea". Foreign & Commonwealth Office. 25 June 2012. Archived from the original on 7 August 2012.

The two keep votes above did complete BEFOREs, but were unable to find any sources to present other than those already in the article.

Jack's comment here [1], specifically ...as well as an telegraph.co.uk article regarding her having been identified as personally riding a rollercoaster alongside the DPRK's Supreme Leader. is completely false.

This is a BLP and this incident at the theme park was a serious diplomatic scandal. There statement is completely false: The subject of the article was not the person photographed as the source clearly states.[2] Jack clearly didn't read the source before their keep spam and in the process attributed a diplomatic scandal to an innocent person. // Timothy :: talk 20:26, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. Very small article about a weak notable diplomat supported by reliable references.--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 01:25, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - on further reflection, I believe BLPs require a high degree of documentation than regular articles. Weakly referenced BLPs watched by few editors are especially vulnerable to malicious actors. This person's job as a diplomat makes this even more of a risk. If this were not a BLP, I'd stick with my earlier "weak keep"--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 20:24, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This a WP:BLP as a far as I can see. It needs real secondary sources to prove the person is notable. I know I keep harping on about this, but it does need to be absolutely notable for a BLP. I think this is probably below borderline at the moment. I never signed up to 1 is ref is good. WP:THREE has always been best practice for proving an Afd. scope_creep^Talk 10:29, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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